I’m not trying to belittle Kimis achievement in any way Noxide :D
He deserves his 1st place & there is NO doubt about it!
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I’m not trying to belittle Kimis achievement in any way Noxide :D
He deserves his 1st place & there is NO doubt about it!
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I know, apologies.Quote:
Originally Posted by DipShyt
I'm just REALLY REALLY happy that it is finally in his hands.
I'm going to get clobbered by my friends for saying this, but Kimi's win, for me, was 125 times more exciting than the rugby :whistle: :whistle:
This sums it up perfectly:
"Despite Raikkonen’s title challenge taking some severe knocks in the early stages, the ‘Iceman’ has fought back with admirable determination. Against the odds, he has done it. By outstripping team mate Massa, taking on the might of the McLaren duo and muscling his way into the title showdown in Brazil, Raikkonen has shown himself not only to be a worthy replacement for Michael Schumacher at Ferrari, he has also proved himself a worthy world champion. Congratulations Kimi!"
NP ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Noxide
Now that’s just not nice...:laugh::laugh::laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Noxide
(You have friends??? :P)
Now that’s just not nice...:laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by DipShyt
Apparently McLaren is launching an appeal into the stewards' decision not to punish BMW and Williams for a discrepancy in the temperature of their fuel.
If they win the appeal, and BMW and Williams gets points taken away, Kimi will lose his championship!!!
:mad: :( :mad: :( :mad: :(
Now that just won’t be right
Especially if you consider that one of the reasons it was that close was due to the theft of Ferraris information …
I assume this is the article you're talking about Noxide:
"The BMW Sauber and Williams teams have escaped penalty after being investigated by Brazilian Grand Prix stewards over fuel irregularities on their cars at the end of Sunday’s Interlagos race.
Under Formula One racing’s technical regulations fuel temperatures are not allowed to fall more than 10 degrees Celsius below ambient air temperature at any time. According to FIA data, Williams and BMW Sauber exceeded this range during the race, but after deliberating for several hours stewards decided the evidence was insufficient to justify sanctions.
However, McLaren are expected to appeal the stewards' decision, which if overturned could have serious implications for the 2007 drivers' championship.
Nico Rosberg finished fourth for Williams, with Robert Kubica and Nick Heidfeld fifth and sixth respectively for BMW Sauber. If they were to be disqualified, Lewis Hamilton would move up to from seventh to fourth, giving him enough points to beat Kimi Raikkonen to the title."
That's it, albeit from a different source.
What really p's me off though, is the fact that McLaren are doing this out of pure spite.
It is no-one's fault but his own and McLaren's that Hamilton lost the championship. He out-braked himself into turn one, and the gearbox had a problem later on.
They are now trying to get back at Ferrari for that penalty they received, but I really hope it backfires!!
If BMW and Williams gets a penalty for using fuel that the stewards can't even prove was illegal, then Hamilton should get a points penalty for using tires that were proven to be illegal and for which they got a financial penalty already.
It sucks that a great moment in Formula1 has to have a "political" shadow hanging over it.
Europe's most widely circulated newspaper has slammed McLaren for appealing the outcome of the drivers' world championship.
"If McLaren succeed, they will deserve only one title: Worst Losers, 2007," the German language Bild-Zeitung proclaimed.
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I think they've earned that title already... :whistle:
I wonder in Ferrari will lodge a complaint about Hamiltons tires if they appeal the fuel issue...
No they won't. They actually have some sportsmanship and dignity.Quote:
Originally Posted by DipShyt
Hamilton has already been fined $21000, but that not enough. IMO.
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From Formula1.com
"The FIA’s International Court of Appeal will hear McLaren’s case against the decision of the Brazilian race stewards on Thursday, November 15."
Not a fan of F1 to be honest, prefer Football.
Sorry to hear about your problems... :PQuote:
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For those interested :P
I'm having a fight with colleagues. Need some help.
Take a look and then please let me know who is the better driver.
(Don't take into account the last race where Massa "helped" Kimi)
Kimi
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Massa
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It's not about who's the better driver Noxide, in reality it's about who's the most consistent driver. You can be the best driver in the field & still not win the championship because you're inconsistent...Quote:
Originally Posted by Noxide
Interesting stats M8 would be nice to compare the other teams in the same way.
Working just on these stats there isn't really much between them in my opinion ;)
But he's consistently winning more races than Massa.:mad::P More second places as well. Oh well.Quote:
Originally Posted by DipShyt
Kimi Is King. That's all that matters. I'll re-check these at the end of the 2008 season :P
Do you enjoy being mean??? :o :PQuote:
Originally Posted by DipShyt
One of the great greats.
Look at that car though!!!
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i think that every 1 goes home broken,, rememba canada crashville I like the sport but i used 2 like luis but i dont,,, i shuldn't sey this as i am aqquated ith a relative called will hamilton
Hamilton Shmamilton :blink:
What are you're predictions for this year?
Who will win the first race in Melbourne?
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Seeing as nobody seems interested in Formula1, and chat to and post pics for myself...:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
The F2008 with the World Champion and Felipe Massa!!
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Tomorrow I'll tell myself what happened in the testing...
01 Australian Grand Prix (Melbourne) 14 - 16 Mar
02 Petronas Malaysian Grand Prix (Kuala Lumpur) 21 - 23 Mar
03 Gulf Air Bahrain Grand Prix (Bahrain) 04 - 06 Apr
04 Gran Premio de España Telefónica 2008 (Catalunya) 25 - 27 Apr
05 Petrol Ofisi Turkish Grand Prix (Istanbul) 09 - 11 May
06 Grand Prix de Monaco 2008 (Monte Carlo) 22 - 25 May
07 Grand Prix du Canada 2008 (Montreal) 06 - 08 Jun
08 Grand Prix de France 2008 (Magny-Cours) 20 - 22 Jun
09 Santander British Grand Prix (Silverstone) 04 - 06 Jul
10 Grosser Preis von Deutschland 2008 (Hockenheim) 18 - 20 Jul
11 Magyar Nagydíj 2008 (Budapest) 01 - 03 Aug
12 Grand Prix of Europe (Valencia) 22 - 24 Aug
13 Belgian Grand Prix (Spa-Francorchamps) 05 - 07 Sep
14 Gran Premio Santander d'Italia 2008 (Monza) 12 - 14 Sep
15 SingTel Singapore Grand Prix (Singapore) 26 - 28 Sep
16 Fuji Television Japanese Grand Prix (Fuji Speedway)10 - 12 Oct
17 Sinopec Chinese Grand Prix (Shanghai) 17 - 19 Oct
18 Grande Prêmio do Brasil 2008 (Sao Paulo) 31 Oct - 02 Nov
:D
The absence of traction control
With the FIA imposing a single Electronic Control Unit for engine management in 2008, we can look forward to the true prospect of F1 without traction control and launch control. This will mean that grand prix starts will be able to throw up some big surprises when drivers get it wrong. It will also mean that drivers who are great at starting will make up shedloads of places on the opening lap. In the past few years the starts have been a battle of the teams' respective software engineers. Not any more.
Similarly in the wet, drivers with the Schumacher-esque ability of being able to work out the maximum adhesion by taking their cars to the very limit and just easing off when the car starts to twitch, will have an edge over those who stick their foot down and let the electronics do the rest.
The obvious changes in the dry will be at the exits of corners. In the past TC has sorted out huge inputs of power through the rear wheels. Now, drivers will have to feed in the power with care. Smooth drivers such as Jenson Button should be able to take advantage.
Formula 1's first night race
One of the highlights of the year will be the Singapore GP raced at night. Street GPs are tremendous spectacles to witness, particularly at Monaco where the circuit is impossibly tight and close to the spectators, but having it at night will give it an extra edge.
Street circuits usually produce a high casualty rate (think Monaco and Canada), so having it at night in the year when traction control is removed from the cars could produce a dramatic result. And just imagine if it rains...
The Valencia GP
For years Bernie Ecclestone wanted to break Monaco's monopoly as being the jet-setter's grand prix, the place where the super-rich could park their yachts and big business could be done. He tried to line up Beirut as a possible venue, and a harbourside circuit was drawn up and promoted. In the wake of the country's plunge into political infighting it's probably a good job it never came off.
However with The Alonso Factor changing Spain from a country that didn't show F1 live on television (despite the involvement of Marc Gene and Pedro de la Rosa) to one showing fanatical levels of attention, an F1 race in Valencia became a possibility.
The city will be the home to the Americas Cup yacht race and so its harbourside facilities will be able to cope with all the new Russian billionaires who wanted to park their boats in Monaco but couldn't find a space.
The arrival of Nelson Piquet Junior
It will be great to see Nelsinho in F1 at long last (though thankfully not at the expense of Heiki Kovalainen). He is the latest son-of-a-World Champion to enter motorsport's highest level following Michael Andretti (son of Mario), Damon Hill (son of Graham) and Nico Rosberg (son of Keke).
Nelson Piquet Junior has the good looks of the archetypal motor-racing driver, and together with Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg will become one of the F1 glamour boys. If Bernie wants to appeal beyond the traditional catchment of F1 afficianados, then Nelsinho will help a great deal. Hamilton dragged in a host of new fans and Piquet can help drag in some more. Nelson Senior will be on hand to offer "insights" into F1 drivers who may or may not get in his son's way. It should be fascinating to behold.
Ross Brawn back in the sport.
After we had our fun at Honda's early season woes, it was actually quite painful to witness the slump continue, race after race. New tech boss Ross Brawn says he wasn't frozen out by Ferrari, and that because he didn't have a big enough challenge there it was "job done", time to move on. We don't necessarily see it that way considering that Ross loves working with Michael Schumacher with whom he's been paired since the early 90s.
His new challenge at Honda will be to re-shape a team that made a massive mistake in getting rid of technical director Geoff Willis and re-focus its efforts. We won't see massive progress in the first eight races, but it shouldn't be as pitiful as last year.
Five things that might not turn out quite so well...
1. The return of Stepneygate With the Ferrari team pressing ahead with prosecutions in both Italy and England, Stepneygate won't go away. Also, if the Scuderia fail to get a result in either court case, then there will be more pressure on the FIA over their handling of the affair. (Having done nothing to Toyota after two of their engineers were found guilty of industrial espionage in court and given prison sentences - and this from the manufacturer who was banned from the World Rally Championship for a year in the 90s for engineering a false carburettor)
2. A Piquet Senior vs Alonso slanging match We've seen Fernando Alonso's delicate ego battered over the course of the 2007 season, what he doesn't need is a team-mate with a vituperative father that could undermine him. Nelsinho may not say anything antagonistic, but Nelson Sr. (he once described Nigel Mansell's wife as ugly) doesn't hold back when things go wrong.
3. More slagging off of Silverstone Bernie is right to point out that with a £12 billion London Olympics coming up for 2012, the British GP venue should get some immediate state support.
4. The championship turning into a one-horse race. With McLaren hampered by budget constraints and redesigns etc, there's a worry that Renault, BMW, Honda and Williams could fail to challenge what is likely to be another strong Ferrari. Last year was supposedly going to be a very open season with lots of teams in a position to win it, and it turned into another two-horse race. However, if you're a Ferrari fan you'll be shouting "Bring it on!"
5. More remarkably stupid decisions by the stewards. Last year we got some cracking gaffes from the stewards, let's hope it was an exception
:D.
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A REPLY!!! :laugh:
It started on my birthday last year. Missing it by two days this year.:(
Seems mr. wannabe World Champion Hamilton is having trouble driving without driver aids. Spun off a couple of times :laugh:
But I won't be too nasty. Might still happen to the real Champion as well.
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I see our M8 lgkpw was having a nice monologue...
It should be an interesting year in F1 with all the "aids" removed. It might actually help some of the old timers as they've got some experience actually having to control the car & not having it drive itself...
He was having a monologue because I was moaning about having one myself. :laugh: He's a good man. I've come to really enjoy his presence in the forum. (I'm still straight Kevin. Don't worry :whistle:)Quote:
Originally Posted by DipShyt
Anyway, yes I agree. The season is going to be one of the best ever I think. Lots of competition, lots of incredible talent and all of that talent being put to the test without driver aids makes for one HELL of a season!!!
KIMI RAIKKONEN!!!!
Hopefully there will be some surprises in who comes through & it doesn't end up being the usual suspects dominating the season...
With the way things are at the moment in F1 we'll probably end up with the usual teams at the top. That's more of a finance thing in my opinion though...
Well I think that both BMW's are going to be strong this year, and I'm also of the opinion that Renault will get at least 3 or 4 wins this year with Alonso in the cockpit.
The one BIG drawback for Renault this year is going to be the loss of their launch control system. It always gave them the drop on the rest of the teams come race start. I'm sure they'll win a race or two, assuming the Ferrari's fall out that is :devil:
If the driver is good, then launch control shouldn't be a problem. Remember Mika Hakkinen? He was flawless without it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DipShyt
The drivers have become lazy, because the only thing they really need to do (although normal everyday car drivers wouldn't be able to) is keep the car on the road. Everything else was done for them.
I must be honest, I hope it rains in Melbourne, however unlikely, because that would really separate the men from the boys.
49 Days 15 hours!!!!
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"Defending world champion Kimi Raikkonen has been nominated for the prestigious Laureus World Sportsman of the Year title.
Alongside fellow nominees including Roger Federer (tennis), Kaka (football) and Tiger Woods (golf), the Finn was selected following a ballot by the world's media."
-Taken from F1live.com
yeah whatever - but Schumi is still the best racer ever in the sportQuote:
Originally Posted by Noxide
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For now...Quote:
Originally Posted by nisx91